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Post by northstokie on Mar 13, 2010 17:27:06 GMT
To be fair there was a spell when Tunny chased around like a mad man for a minute at full pelt...
Still did nothing though - he is a good player but I don't think he will ever flourish in a Stoke side, and that's not a criticism of Stoke or Tuncay...
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 13, 2010 17:36:55 GMT
Tunny had 50+ minutes to impress and did fuck all IMHO !! Just because people on here thinks the sun shines out of his arse doesnt mean he can coast thru games and the petulant antics are getting tiresome He did 'fuck all' because the service to him was shocking! Mama didn't direct one header or pass to him the entire time! Fuller holds the ball up far better than Mama does. Tunc and Fuller together should be the combo IMHO.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 13, 2010 17:37:54 GMT
Didn't chase anything down? Were you at the game because I recall seeing him chase the ball for 2 or 3 minutes in one spell in the first half. You have got to remember that he was on with sidibe who is just getting even worse. I'm sick of him in the team. You would see the real tuncay If he was with fuller of kitson. Watched the whole match and seen him cahse the ball once and that was for about 10 seconds so dunno what your on about. He was useless today but to react like that is not on and i seem to remember people ready to hang Kits last season for moaning about coming off Got to agree with stokie1985 mate. He ran around with lots of effort as usual but apart from that he was awful. His reaction at being subbed after being very poor was disgraceful though. I forgave him when he was subbed after 7 minutes earlier in the season but when you're shit and get subbed you take it on the chin. You definitely don't do that and he deserves all the criticism that he's getting.
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Post by stokie1985 on Mar 13, 2010 17:37:59 GMT
Ok. Maybe 2 or 3 mins was an exageration but it was certainly a lot more than 10 seconds. It was atleast a minute that he chased down atleast 5 villa players in possesion. But I still stand by my point that he had every right to react like he did. If I had to work with an incompetent piece of shit as my partner I wud react the same way. Its better he walks away than having a verbal at pulis for making him work under those conditions. The sooner mama fucks off or gets injured the better. He is a pile of shit and before anyone says, yes I do support the players but there comes a time when you just have to say enough is enough with certain players who whould be in league 1 at the best.
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 13, 2010 17:40:22 GMT
We need to play through Tuncay like the Villa away game. Ok so we lost that one but Tuncay ran the show that day.
Play the ball to his feet in the 'hole' and he is deadly. Ask him to run after Mama's hopeless filck ons and he is lost. If Mama doesn't know where the flick ons are going (the odd time he wins one these days) how the hell does Tuncay?
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Post by Irish Stokie on Mar 13, 2010 17:43:10 GMT
Apologies as i dont recall him chasing the ball but obviously he did as everyone else seen it! But regardless of that his reaction is just not good enough. Yes he is playing with a stocking of shite up front but at the end of the day his performance was just not good enough and he was rightly subbed. Im sure TP will take a very dim view of being disrespected by one of his players in public.
There is no doubt about the ability he has and i am a huge fan but there is simply no excuse for his actions today. If there's a problem you speak to the manager after the game about it not in front of 28,000 and a good few more watching on tv
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2010 17:47:31 GMT
Mama, Tuncay and Kitson were all awful today. If it wasn't for Ric, I would be despairing that we won't build an attack again this season.
Don't know how many of you noticed but TP had a full chewing gum, water bottle and hat throwing moment when Tuncay failed to mark his man at a throw in on the half way line. This was after about 20 mins. TP and Tuncay had been arguing with each other almost from the kick off. I was surprised he didn't 'hook' him off then.
Poor old Kitson just can't get in to a game at SCFC. The games go on around him. He did give Villa a free kick on the edge of our box though.
As for Mama (I'm his biggest fan, of course) did he put a foot right (or head for that matter)?
Ric is worth ten times more than the three of them added together.
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 13, 2010 17:48:30 GMT
To be fair, the reaction was not good although understandable.
I can't see Tuncay being here next season. He really needs to be playing in a team that puts it on the floor more.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2010 17:49:47 GMT
Very poor from Tunch. I can understand his frustration and fully sympathised with him at Hull - but that was overstepping the line today.
I think some of the crowd reacted, not knowing it was going to be a double sub. I don't think there would have been the same hullabaloo if they'd known it was two in, two out and a complete forward line shake-up.
It's not as if he was having a stormer. He looked okay, but we were transformed after he went off and the subs did the trick.
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Post by jimmymcilroy on Mar 13, 2010 17:52:55 GMT
tunny plays best like modric at spurs - just behind the front 2 - but the manager would have to play 3 rather than 4 in midfield for that to happen - don't think he will change from his 2 banks of 4 .... not until we have 40 points anyway.
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 13, 2010 17:53:22 GMT
It was the removal of Sidibe that changed the game. Ric and Kitson forced us to try and retain the ball longer and play a bit more to feet. Once the ball went into Rics feet it was either him charging at the defenders or creating space and laying it off for Matty.
Sidibe gives all the players license to 'hoof'........he should be left on the subs bench at best.
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2010 17:54:33 GMT
Fuller and Kitson changed the game, has to be the way to go from the start atgainst Spurs with Ethers on the left and Tunny on the right. Fuller changed the game. Kitson did nothing (as usual). Ric did more in 30 mins than Tuncay, Mama and Kitson did together. Mama was dreadful, Tuncay even worse. TP looked poised to fetch him off after 20mins, which caused Tuncay to run around for 30 seconds. That partnership of Tuncay and Mama shouldn't be repeated I'm afraid.
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Post by boozo on Mar 13, 2010 17:55:49 GMT
Tuncay's reaction to getting subbed was absolutely appalling.
I can understand his frustration playing alongside 2 flick ons a season mama - who falls over the ball more than he controls it. He offers the team nothing at all when he is in the form he is in at the minute. Tuncay had practically no passes into his feet and when he did he was on his own with mama still wondering where to run.
On a brighter note Fuller changed the game up front as he usually does and kitson held the ball up and brought other players into play well enough to merit a start against spurs at mamas expense.
One thing i will say though, no matter how much we spent on tuncay - if he thinks hes bigger than the managers decision, he isnt. His run away down the tunnel was a disgrace. What would have happened if huth had won the game with the header towards the end, and the team enter the dressing room celebrating, what would tuncay have done?? Sorry i missed it lads but i was too bothered about my ego to care if Stoke won or not.
No ones too big to be sold
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 13, 2010 17:56:10 GMT
I still stand by my point that he had every right to react like he did. If I had to work with an incompetent piece of shit as my partner I would react the same way. He's on 45 grand a week allegedly. The only right he has is to do as he's fucking well told or expect to be shown the door. If you don't like the conditions you work under you ask for a quiet word in private and discuss it. Try waving your arms around and crying about it to your boss in front of all your colleagues and customers on Monday afternoon and see how you get on. I'd suggest if you didn't apologise first thing Tuesday morning you'd be out on your arse at the first opportunity your boss gets and if he doesn't i wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 13, 2010 17:58:39 GMT
The writing is on the wall for Tuncay I'm afraid......
He just isn't going to work in TP's master plan and should be sold so he can play in a team that suits his skills better.
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Post by garavel on Mar 13, 2010 17:59:48 GMT
He should simply respect the manager's decisions. Don't care if he played good or bad.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 13, 2010 18:05:34 GMT
Very poor from Tunch. I can understand his frustration and fully sympathised with him at Hull - but that was overstepping the line today. I think some of the crowd reacted, not knowing it was going to be a double sub. I don't think there would have been the same hullabaloo if they'd known it was two in, two out and a complete forward line shake-up. It's not as if he was having a stormer. He looked okay, but we were transformed after he went off and the subs did the trick. Spot on as usual grapey with all you have said. The only slightest excuse i could give him is that he thought he was only the one coming off and mama was staying on but really there is no excuse at all for the reaction he made. Tony yet again was class in his response to it in his radio stoke interview but will no doubt have a word in the week with him. Mama and Tunc started on weds and in the cup as well so he cant really complain he has had a three game week where he has been fully involved. Silly petulance and of course it can be forgiven but he (Tuncay) needs to say something this time in my view. Like sorry i was a bit silly but im passionate about playing for Stoke and doing my best etc etc
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2010 18:07:27 GMT
He should simply respect the manager's decisions. Don't care if he played good or bad. The problem is greater than that though. TP was apoplectic throughout the first half, because Tuncay was not following team instructions. That, in TP's eyes is the worst sin of them all.
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Post by Beatties Side Boob on Mar 13, 2010 18:08:08 GMT
Child.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 18:09:52 GMT
To be fair there was a spell when Tunny chased around like a mad man for a minute at full pelt... Still did nothing though - he is a good player but I don't think he will ever flourish in a Stoke side, and that's not a criticism of Stoke or Tuncay... Spot on....our style of play just does not suit him. Tunnys a good player but our football does him no favours what so ever.
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2010 18:11:56 GMT
To be fair there was a spell when Tunny chased around like a mad man for a minute at full pelt... Still did nothing though - he is a good player but I don't think he will ever flourish in a Stoke side, and that's not a criticism of Stoke or Tuncay... Spot on....our style of play just does not suit him. Tunnys a good player but our football does him no favours what so ever. Especially when he does his own thing and deliberately ignores his manager's instructions.
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Post by griffoisalegend on Mar 13, 2010 18:13:05 GMT
I can almost accept him doing it at Hull, just came on as a sub and then replaced soon after.
HOWEVER, today, in front of his fans, i'm sorry but that's just a joke. He was playing fucking shit and to go off down the tunnel is totally unprofessional.
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Post by scfcmacca on Mar 13, 2010 18:13:23 GMT
if your manager takes you off go and sit on the bench unless you have an injury join the rest of the squad not go get a bath/shower or have a fag do that in your own time tunny i didnt boo when he came off but didnt agree with him going down the tunnel tony has every right to take him off if hes not doing the buisness which he wassnt and i thought he was right to bring both mama and tunny off
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Post by Goarn ROORRRRYYYY! on Mar 13, 2010 18:17:04 GMT
Couldn't believe the booing, both him and mama were fucking awful today, should be dropped for next match, teach the mardarse a lesson.
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Post by march4 on Mar 13, 2010 18:25:34 GMT
This could be the end of Tuncay.
I told you all not to trust a man with long, greasy hair ;D. Only joking (I think).
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Post by Binndy on Mar 13, 2010 18:33:50 GMT
as a turk tuncay will only want to do his best and will be more disappointed with himself than annoyed with Tony for taking him off. Tony needs to play Tuncay in midfield and fuller and kitson up front at the moment for us to win or play them as 3 strikers. any for me ryan rob andy ab higgy tunny deano rory matty fuller and kitson as my starting eleven for the rest of the season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 13, 2010 18:34:41 GMT
Fuller and Kitson changed the game, has to be the way to go from the start atgainst Spurs with Ethers on the left and Tunny on the right. Been saying it for a few weeks now Gary, so that'll be a big fat ... + 1from me chap.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 13, 2010 18:37:47 GMT
Not that fussed about his reaction to be honest, he is whole hearted and wants to play. In an ideal world he probably wouldn't do it but it's nothing to get our knickers in a twist about.
I'd have kept him on a bit longer as to be fair to him, subbing him at the same time as Mama was akin to saying he was as shite as the big man from Mali, and he clearly wasn't that bad.
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Post by tazi on Mar 13, 2010 18:38:58 GMT
Very poor today, never put a challenge in, gave the ball away too often even when he had oceans of space and options, in fact he didn't do anything at all.
Very very disapointing and i can see him being shipped out at the end of the season if he doesn't get used to the idea that if you play as poorly as that then you deserve to be subbed.
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Post by Davef on Mar 13, 2010 18:39:11 GMT
This is becoming a worrying, recurring theme thought isn't it?
Kitson's not good enough....Beattie's not good enough....Tuncay's not good enough.... That's £13M worth of forward talent apparently not good enough for Stoke City.
Meanwhile, we keep persisting with an out-of-his-depth, Championship plodder.
TP HAS to get this situation sorted out in the summmer.
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