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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2010 4:06:13 GMT
I think the photo shows two comitted players going for the ball.
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Post by longthrow on Feb 28, 2010 4:07:33 GMT
was at the game but it happened so quick . just watched it again on you tube and ryans foot doesnt look raised off the floor at all so really it was just mistimed . campbell and fabregas though really do need to look at themselves because they act like total idiots after the challenge The notion that Campbell and Fabregas should be looking at themselves is truly the most ludicrous thing ive ever heard. Having just watched the third Arsenal player in 5 years go down to one of these, i find it astrinomically stupid and dimwitted that any one expect them to keep their cool. Perfectly normal response. Glen Whelan was absolutely fucking brilliant though. Top, top bloke. yes but do you know why arsenal have this happen to them so much? Its not bad luck mate, its because they 'encourage fouls'. They try to get there first and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to determine that if you encourage the opposition to foul you then they will make contact now and again. There have been much worse tackles made by arsenal players today, yet no cards were brandished.....
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Post by tijuanabrass on Feb 28, 2010 4:10:55 GMT
When I watch ed the game on TV I thought it looked a 50/50 ball. I was wrong. It was Shawx' ball. Ramsey intercepted it brilliantly but if anything his lunge was two footed and reckless. It's a terrible accident. I hope the lad recovers quickly and fulfills the promise he has shown so far. I hope Ryan also recovers and that the Premiership review the tackle. To reiterate - Aaron Ramsey's challenge was reckless and dangerous.
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Post by samblano on Feb 28, 2010 13:46:03 GMT
Looking at all the evidence It's obvious that it was an accident there is NO WAY Ryan would go out to hurt another player. I think that Stoke should appeal against the automatic ban.
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Post by foxfield on Feb 28, 2010 13:49:52 GMT
That picture shows just what I thought at the time. Who tackled who ? Ryan was coming out of defence with the ball. Why didn't he progress any further ? To my mind because he was tackled by Ramsey, or at least obstructed by him. A free kick should have been given to us and definitely no red card.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 28, 2010 13:56:16 GMT
From the pictures posted on this thread it looks like Ryan was first to the ball but not to kick it.
He plants his none kicking right foot alongside the ball before Ramsey is anywhere near it. Just as he goes to kick it with his left foot Ramsey has jumped in two footed, planted his foot on the ground and Ryan kicking left foot makes contact with him after Ramsey has touched the ball away.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2010 14:00:08 GMT
Ramsey has flew in. The media and Wenger seem to be forgetting this. I think we should sue both the media and Wenger. What they have said is out of order and slanderous.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 28, 2010 14:03:35 GMT
Think someone who can, should post this image and others to sky and other media outlets. The one on this thread shows Ryan way before Ramsey who has two feet up ready to do damage.
Oh dear Mr Wenger. Not looking such a nasty challenge now is it?
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Post by tazi on Feb 28, 2010 14:05:29 GMT
Ramsey has flew in. The media and Wenger seem to be forgetting this. I think we should sue both the media and Wenger. What they have said is out of order and slanderous. Agree wholeheartedly. Also, what does that picture tell you of that Arsenal player holding his hands up moments before impact. To me, it say's fucking hell there's going to be something nasty here because he has got a full view of Ramsey flying in.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 28, 2010 14:07:09 GMT
The notion that Campbell and Fabregas should be looking at themselves is truly the most ludicrous thing ive ever heard. Having just watched the third Arsenal player in 5 years go down to one of these, i find it astrinomically stupid and dimwitted that any one expect them to keep their cool. Perfectly normal response. Glen Whelan was absolutely fucking brilliant though. Top, top bloke. no mate. a perfectly normal response is to check that your teammate who's on the floor with a broken leg is ok. spam, Too right. Fabregas was more interested in getting a red card for Ryan, and Campbell wanted chinning for screaming "fuck off" to Ryan as he went over to apologise to Ramsay in floods of tears. Fabregas is a nasty little shite who commited more fouls yesterday than anyone and wasn't even booked.
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Post by mamasbitch on Feb 28, 2010 14:08:45 GMT
bendtner was doing that because hed just pulled shawcross back actually
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2010 14:09:02 GMT
Ramsey has flew in. The media and Wenger seem to be forgetting this. I think we should sue both the media and Wenger. What they have said is out of order and slanderous. Agree wholeheartedly. Also, what does that picture tell you of that Arsenal player holding his hands up moments before impact. To me, it say's fucking hell there's going to be something nasty here because he has got a full view of Ramsey flying in. They have both flown in at 100%, it was just a full bloodied football incident. Wasn't worthy of a red and 9.9999999 times out of 10 both players will walk away from that. As ever though the media and Wenger act the fool. If he watches it again he will have to admit it was an accident. I say have to, he won't. That's why I'd set the lawyers on him.
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Post by tazi on Feb 28, 2010 14:16:30 GMT
Stoke City Football Club have a duty of care to fight to clear Ryan's name after those nasty nasty comments by Wenger. In addition why even stop at just Wenger after hearing what those men have said on the show 'Sunday Supplement' i do believe.
It's a fookin disgrace and a huge slur on both Ryan and Stoke City football club.
In short, it's scandalous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2010 14:18:05 GMT
What did they say on the Sunday Supplement?
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Post by tazi on Feb 28, 2010 14:20:41 GMT
bendtner was doing that because hed just pulled shawcross back actually Sorry mate but i dont buy into that theory because afterall as you quite rightly say he pulled Ryan back but on the other hand why would his hands then be up in the air like that?. Sorry mate but after watching the whole incident again on youtube i feel that you are indeed correct.
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Post by tazi on Feb 28, 2010 14:22:11 GMT
What did they say on the Sunday Supplement? Was a nasty challenge or words to that effect. No doubt it'll be on SKy SPORTS news later on again. Really really slated Ryan did two out of three of the blokes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 28, 2010 14:24:23 GMT
Well it wasn't nasty at all was it? I'd sue them for slander too. This whole incident has really pissed me off. A good honest lads name is being dragged through the mud wrongly. It's shameful.
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Post by lancer on Feb 28, 2010 14:29:18 GMT
It was basically a block tackle, both player went for a 50-50 ball and Ramsey got there fractionally before Ryan, had it been the other way around it would probably be Ryan lying in a hospital bed right now . Ramsey lunges with both feet in the air. There is a lot of momentum around. The injury is very unfortunate. Exactly, mate, and that is why Pugley's comment is wrong. There is endless evidence to show what happened. Without that evidence, Pugsley is right, it did look a poor challenge, but that wasn't what happened.
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Post by vinceoversonisgod on Feb 28, 2010 14:31:08 GMT
There was a complete and utter cock behind me yesterday. Shouting all the bollocks about Ramsey I had a go at him for being a dick and he called me a manure fan. What th fuck. Best of it he was in his 50 s and should know better
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Post by tazi on Feb 28, 2010 14:31:41 GMT
Well it wasn't nasty at all was it? I'd sue them for slander too. This whole incident has really pissed me off. A good honest lads name is being dragged through the mud wrongly. It's shameful. Exactly mate it wasn't nasty but by the way these jerks were talking anyone would think that Ryan then went on to fuck Wenger's Nan deep in the ass. Sue the fuckers that's what i say.
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Post by jssandbach on Feb 28, 2010 15:00:25 GMT
Excellent post and views which for me puts new light on the incident
I was in the family stand yesterday and had quite a good view of the incident
In a highly competitive game at this level when a major incident occurs people react differently. Initially ( quite rightly) all the sympathy goes to the most injured player. There is an immediate presumption that someone MUST be to blame, - that someone must be Shawcross. It must be a bad vicious deliberate foul - particularly given the reputations of the 2 clubs. Some people immediately want revenge - Campbell and Fabregas were disgraceful and could have made the situation a whole lot worse . Their reaction and the extent of the injury got Ryan sent off. Whelan was a true hero - Dealt with the real issue - the person lying on the ground with a badly broken leg. ( reminds me very much of incidents which I went to as a Police Officer - some people wanted to have a fight others wanted to calm things down - aperson lying on the ground injured)
Having seen these pictures it is quite feasible that Aaron was the more reckless tackler but infact came off worse. People may not want to believe this because it goes against stereo types and " doesn't seem right", much easier to take the simple view - bad tackle -sending off. I agree with Chamberlain ( I think) - If Ryan had stayed down , in agony, he probably would not have got sent off. The ref wasn't even going to give a foul at first the incident escalated as the full horror of the injury emerged Like all of us I hope for a speedy and full recovery for Aaron and Ryan
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Post by sportsman on Feb 28, 2010 16:00:02 GMT
I haven't seen sky sports much today, but if they haven't shown still footage prior to the coming together they want fucking. Seem to me some, like sky, are 'happy' for there to be a bit of blame as it's good media story for them to carry on for the week, and encourage 50 pence texts to come flying into the studio in there thousands.
Someone send some of the images we have.
Anyone see the Cuellar tackle on Evra in the cup final. Only diffence is Evra didn't break his leg.
Anyone see the handball by the villa player. Very similar to ours yesterday. Andy Grey said it was very similar to the Stoke one and shouldn't have been a penalty from such close range.
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Post by petemac on Feb 28, 2010 16:04:41 GMT
I have gone through the footage of the tackle about 30-40 times and I can confirm:-
Ryan wins the ball and looks to move it forward and clear the ball. Bendter tugs Ryans shirt to try to slow him down knowing that Ramsey has taken off to win the ball. But Ryan continues to move to clear the ball with his next kick (you can tell, Ryan moves his boy in an angle that gives him his best position for getting more height under the ball when it clears) but as Ryan moves his leg down to hit the ball Ramsey appears to clear the ball and tackle Ryan and runs into the foot Ryan is using to clear the ball. Ryans foot makes contact with Ramseys shin and it bends and breaks.
It's a freak of an incident and the blame is not Ryans or Ramseys fault......... I hope When Ramsey speaks to the press he will be honest and not bend the truth which is clear to see.
Oh yes Wenger is a cunt along with gay boy Cambellend and Fagreglass
No I have to say with the comments Wenger has come out with are just plain wrong....Ramsey is flying in to clear the ball if Ramsey was not flying in it would not have happened, I say again it is not Ryans fault in any way, he was just about to clear the ball and Ramsey must have thought that in the back of his mind as he charged in.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 28, 2010 16:08:28 GMT
Wonder if Wenger will want us to play like pussies in the last few games of the season when we travel to Chelsea and Man Utd.
Wonder if he'll want Ryan to ponse about and not try? Imagine wenger is sitting top of the league and we go to old trafford last game. Rooney is through on goal and Ryan just moves out of the way for him to have a free run on goal, then blames it on Wenger mentaly playing with his mind and couldn't make the tackle on Rooney. Pisser!!!
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Feb 28, 2010 17:53:48 GMT
Isn't it dangerous play to go into a tackle with your feet off the ground and both arms outstretched ? It looks like Ramsey was jumping into the collision with Ryan. Ramsey should have been sent off.
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Post by tampon on Feb 28, 2010 18:29:07 GMT
Bendtner did clearly knock Shawcross off balance going into the 50-50, that picture just shows how unfortunate it was. Ramsey going in at that angle and landing his leg in that funny position just as there was a coming together with an off balance Shawcross was always going to end badly. Bendtner has been pretty lucky to come out of this without any blame and Wenger's comments are an absolute disgrace, we haven't had a fair referee since the last time he accused us of deliberately trying to injure his players in the media... god help us now.
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Post by suddickspants on Feb 28, 2010 20:26:31 GMT
when i saw it yesterday i thought it was a fifty fifty ball, it could have gone either way, good luck to arron, and no blame on ryan, no one want`s to see players hurt but hey it`s still a contact sport and this kind of thing happens.
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