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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 10, 2010 11:16:26 GMT
... is what you'd be forgiven for thinking we suffered reading this message board. I honestly cannot believe the criticism of the performance and the result last night. That second half must have been the best 45-minutes of away football Stoke have played in the Premier League. Yes, even better than WBA (a) or Hull (a) last season. Credit where credit is due, TP did exactly what everyone wanted in that second half and really went for the jugular. And then there are the individuals being slammed for awful performances: So far, we have.... Wilko ....shit Higgo ...shit Delap...shit Whelan ...shit Mama ....shit Amy more before we close the book? I never thought I would agree with mcf, but he's completely right in exposing some of the crazy OTT criticism of individuals last night. That's about half the team in that list who had a supposedly poor game, and yet we didn't leave with a 5-0 hammering, we gained an entirely creditable draw that could so easily have been a win. All of those players played their part.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 10, 2010 11:17:47 GMT
Agree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 11:19:02 GMT
How do You murder a circus?
Go for the juggeler!
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Post by kidsgrove4 on Feb 10, 2010 11:21:00 GMT
... is what you'd be forgiven for thinking we suffered reading this message board. I honestly cannot believe the criticism of the performance and the result last night. That second half must have been the best 45-minutes of away football Stoke have played in the Premier League. Yes, even better than WBA (a) or Hull (a) last season. Credit where credit is due, TP did exactly what everyone wanted in that second half and really went for the jugular. And then there are the individuals being slammed for awful performances: So far, we have.... Wilko ....shit Higgo ...shit Delap...shit Whelan ...shit Mama ....shit Amy more before we close the book? I never thought I would agree with mcf, but he's completely right in exposing some of the crazy OTT criticism of individuals last night. That's about half the team in that list who had a supposedly poor game, and yet we didn't leave with a 5-0 hammering, we gained an entirely creditable draw that could so easily have been a win. All of those players played their part. A point towards World Club Championship football. . Hey a draw at Wiggers is quite reasonable I fink. I might not be smart, but hey, I shag like a Puma !!!!!!!!
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Post by eddiecurrent on Feb 10, 2010 11:23:17 GMT
Actually by the standards of this message board, it feels quite chilled this morning. Still not entirely content, but not wrist slittingly neurotic either.
You are right though, there are some people that will slag off the team and the manager whatever happens - which is disapointing. (eg a poster called 'Davesall(?) who called TP a c*nt last night)
Its also fair to say that there are as many people that refuse to blame TP or any of the players after a shocker. (see last weeks post Sunderland reaction).
Unfortuantely the two 'factions' described above make sensible discussion and debate virtually impossible at times.
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Post by knowles on Feb 10, 2010 11:28:42 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Chelsea got hammered at the DW Stadium not so long ago. OK, the first half wasn't brilliant but we completely bossed the second 45 and were perhaps unlucky not to win. I came away a chuffed man, and we are currently in the middle of our most successful unbeaten run in the Premier League. Pulis Out!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 11:32:14 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Chelsea got hammered at the DW Stadium not so long ago. OK, the first half wasn't brilliant but we completely bossed the second 45 and were perhaps unlucky not to win. I came away a chuffed man, and we are currently in the middle of our most successful unbeaten run in the Premier League. Pulis Out! Haven't Wigan got one of the worst home records in the league though despite beating Chelsea?
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Feb 10, 2010 11:32:16 GMT
Finally some common sense
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Post by knowles on Feb 10, 2010 11:43:08 GMT
You're right Jamie, Wigan's home record is pretty shoddy overall but they are a side that blow very hot and very cold.
Despite us not being up to standard first half, I thought Wigan played pretty well (as they did at the Brit). For us to have reached 30 points already is an absolutely magnificent achievement. Although we certainly aren't safe yet, it's going to take an almighty collapse for us to fail between now and May.
What is pleasing me most is that we are actually dominating sides, rather than scraping through. Wigan barely got a sniff in the second half last night. Roll on Saturday...
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Post by ted1965 on Feb 10, 2010 11:44:15 GMT
I haven't read the board this morning but for me its a game where we deserved 3 points for the chances we created in the 2nd half, we didn't go into our shell and we had every forward option on the field at some point of the game. I would say all things considered not a bad result. Wigan are te kind of side that are either brilliant or awful. Its one more point towards evolution which is coming along nicely.
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Post by bostonstokie on Feb 10, 2010 11:48:17 GMT
Posted it elsewhere, thought the second half was brilliant, including tactically when we were pushing for the second goal despite having a point on the road relatively well in hand.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 11:49:01 GMT
You're right Jamie, Wigan's home record is pretty shoddy overall but they are a side that blow very hot and very cold. Despite us not being up to standard first half, I thought Wigan played pretty well (as they did at the Brit). For us to have reached 30 points already is an absolutely magnificent achievement. Although we certainly aren't safe yet, it's going to take an almighty collapse for us to fail between now and May. What is pleasing me most is that we are actually dominating sides, rather than scraping through. Wigan barely got a sniff in the second half last night. Roll on Saturday... I agree, I just wish TP had the faith in 'em to start with 2 wingers in the more winnable away games.
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Post by coggy on Feb 10, 2010 11:55:20 GMT
You're right Jamie, Wigan's home record is pretty shoddy overall but they are a side that blow very hot and very cold. Despite us not being up to standard first half, I thought Wigan played pretty well (as they did at the Brit). For us to have reached 30 points already is an absolutely magnificent achievement. Although we certainly aren't safe yet, it's going to take an almighty collapse for us to fail between now and May. What is pleasing me most is that we are actually dominating sides, rather than scraping through. Wigan barely got a sniff in the second half last night. Roll on Saturday... Spot on ! A big difference from last year when we was scraping/battling every game !! Progress is being made ...........
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 10, 2010 12:01:55 GMT
You're right Jamie, Wigan's home record is pretty shoddy overall but they are a side that blow very hot and very cold. Despite us not being up to standard first half, I thought Wigan played pretty well (as they did at the Brit). For us to have reached 30 points already is an absolutely magnificent achievement. Although we certainly aren't safe yet, it's going to take an almighty collapse for us to fail between now and May. What is pleasing me most is that we are actually dominating sides, rather than scraping through. Wigan barely got a sniff in the second half last night. Roll on Saturday... I agree, I just wish TP had the faith in 'em to start with 2 wingers in the more winnable away games. Whilst I agree with the sentiment Bayern, I have no problem at all with TP choosing to 'keep it tight' in the first half by putting an extra defensive midfielder on the right. There is also no guarantee that starting two wingers would result in a different performance to the one that we got in that half.
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Post by knowles on Feb 10, 2010 12:08:19 GMT
Think back to last year when we drew 0-0 at Wigan and were all very pleased. That game was absolutely dreadful and I think we had about one shot at goal (our corners were being taken by Griffin that day).
Yesterday we had numerous strikes at goal, played with creativity and flair at times and probably should have won in the end.
There were mistakes (not playing Deano in the centre being the most obvious to me) but we learnt from them and rectified them to gain a creditable point.
Ten points to go...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 12:08:24 GMT
I agree, I just wish TP had the faith in 'em to start with 2 wingers in the more winnable away games. Whilst I agree with the sentiment Bayern, I have no problem at all with TP choosing to 'keep it tight' in the first half by putting an extra defensive midfielder on the right. There is also no guarantee that starting two wingers would result in a different performance to the one that we got in that half. I think it nullifies any real threat we have and we can keep as tight with say Lawrence on the right and we don't a need defensive midfielder out there. Like when we sit deep. I don't get it, we've done fine not sitting deep, so why sit deep and invite pressure? 2 things I hate and 2 things that I suspect as long as TP is manager (I'm not saying sack him before any dullard starts ) is something I will continue to hate and I will continue to whine about. Sorry.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 12:11:58 GMT
Think back to last year when we drew 0-0 at Wigan and were all very pleased. That game was absolutely dreadful and I think we had about one shot at goal (our corners were being taken by Griffin that day). Yesterday we had numerous strikes at goal, played with creativity and flair at times and probably should have won in the end. There were mistakes (not playing Deano in the centre being the most obvious to me) but we learnt from them and rectified them to gain a creditable point. Ten points to go... They are obvious and he continues to do it, that's the thing that takes it away from me. Like if we play Portsmouth (all being well) and he starts with a defensive mid on the wing, why? But we all know he will probably do it. Futile I know but I just don't get the logic.
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Post by knowles on Feb 10, 2010 12:13:27 GMT
One step at a time Jamie, we were saved from a display from Salif yesterday
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 12:16:24 GMT
One step at a time Jamie, we were saved from a display from Salif yesterday True and he did change it very early. But it's so blindingly obvious that in games like last night he should start 2 bloody wingers it's untrue.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Feb 10, 2010 13:36:02 GMT
You're right Jamie, Wigan's home record is pretty shoddy overall but they are a side that blow very hot and very cold. Despite us not being up to standard first half, I thought Wigan played pretty well (as they did at the Brit). For us to have reached 30 points already is an absolutely magnificent achievement. Although we certainly aren't safe yet, it's going to take an almighty collapse for us to fail between now and May. What is pleasing me most is that we are actually dominating sides, rather than scraping through. Wigan barely got a sniff in the second half last night. Roll on Saturday... I agree, I just wish TP had the faith in 'em to start with 2 wingers in the more winnable away games. Agree bayern.
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Post by londonjamie on Feb 10, 2010 13:41:41 GMT
I don't care what anyone says today...I've been walking around with a grin on my face all morning! ;D 30 points! Woohoo
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2010 13:45:03 GMT
enjoyed the game tbh.
thought Wigan had their moments 1st half & HR's overhead kick 2nd half would have been the second goal of the season contender we've conceded v Wigan had it gone in
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 10, 2010 13:48:33 GMT
Good post mikeyb99
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Post by tazi on Feb 10, 2010 13:53:02 GMT
One step at a time Jamie, we were saved from a display from Salif yesterday True and he did change it very early. But it's so blindingly obvious that in games like last night he should start 2 bloody wingers it's untrue. For a start bayern we aint got two bloody wingers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 13:57:35 GMT
True and he did change it very early. But it's so blindingly obvious that in games like last night he should start 2 bloody wingers it's untrue. For a start bayern we aint got two bloody wingers. I know what route You're taking Taz but in our team Lawrence is a winger. And Tuncay played mainly on the wing for Fenerbache so that's 3.
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Post by fromafar07 on Feb 10, 2010 13:57:52 GMT
good lord, how many times have i heard this cry this season. "the second half was the best we have played all season".. but the first half was the worst. with a proper squad selection we would/should have played like we did on saturday !! what dont yo uget about that ??? tired of seeing a performance like Arsenal and Blackburn then coming back after squad changes and pants crapping by Pulis and playing like we did against Sunderland and Wigan ! the team psychologist REALLY needs to have a one on one with Pulis to get into his head to find out why he thinks, acts and manages so differently on the road !!
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Post by tazi on Feb 10, 2010 14:05:16 GMT
For a start bayern we aint got two bloody wingers. I know what route You're taking Taz but in our team Lawrence is a winger. And Tuncay played mainly on the wing for Fenerbache so that's 3. With Lawrence or not we couldn't have played any better if we tried particularly in that second half.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2010 14:11:27 GMT
I know what route You're taking Taz but in our team Lawrence is a winger. And Tuncay played mainly on the wing for Fenerbache so that's 3. With Lawrence or not we couldn't have played any better if we tried particularly in that second half. I don't see why we should sacrifice the first half though. And why did we play so well in the second? That's right we balanced the team out!
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Post by knowles on Feb 10, 2010 14:15:26 GMT
Tuncay right wing, Etherington left wing, Fuller & Sidibe upfront. There we go.
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Post by fromafar07 on Feb 10, 2010 14:15:56 GMT
I know what route You're taking Taz but in our team Lawrence is a winger. And Tuncay played mainly on the wing for Fenerbache so that's 3. With Lawrence or not we couldn't have played any better if we tried particularly in that second half. couldnt have played better if we tried ??? I would imagine seeing 2 or 3 goals going in of we had played better ! we did play MUCH better in the 2nd half than the first, but its not close to how well we have played in a few other games this season !
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