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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 21, 2010 14:48:31 GMT
fromafar, we are not the best team in the league so will never will 11 games out of 11, even Arsenal and Chelski haven't done that we're not ?? some fan you are !!! I have a sense of reality, thats why!
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Post by YarnfieldStokie on Jan 21, 2010 14:48:40 GMT
fromafar, we are not the best team in the league so will never will 11 games out of 11, even Arsenal and Chelski haven't done that we're not ?? some fan you are !!! Dont be a dick fromafar!!
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Post by serpico on Jan 21, 2010 14:50:54 GMT
I like whatever works, and I think you should be able to adapt styles when the long ball isn't working IE like against Liverpool, it was apparent early on that Kyriakos had Mama in his pocket, so we should have thrown Fuller on much earlier, ideally at half time, and started to get the ball into feet .
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 21, 2010 14:53:48 GMT
Tits.
Every time.
(Sorry, misread the question.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2010 14:54:20 GMT
Points if I don't have to watch it and style if I do.
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Post by fromafar07 on Jan 21, 2010 14:56:09 GMT
I like whatever works, and I think you should be able to adapt styles when the long ball isn't working IE like against Liverpool, it was apparent early on that Kyriakos had Mama in his pocket, so we should have thrown Fuller on much earlier, ideally at half time, and started to get the ball into feet . wow, very good point !! a manager adjusting his tactics in the 2nd half because they didnt work in the first ?? unfortunately TP didnt read that in the management manual where it says he is allowed to do that, so he kept on doing the same thing in the 2nd half too !!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 21, 2010 14:58:54 GMT
And got an equaliser without letting any more in.
Face it. It was two very poor teams on the day in a crap match. Neither team deserved to win and a point is, ultimately, a good result from a very poor game.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 21, 2010 15:03:10 GMT
And got an equaliser without letting any more in. Thanks to a combination of a crap header from Kuyt & the woodwork...
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 21, 2010 15:07:16 GMT
And conveniently forgetting that we could have won the game 1 minute before that. It's easy to pick out the 3/4 incidents in a dreadful game Pez. Do you think Liverpool deserved to win? Crap game between two very poor sides on the day and it was definitely a point 'rescued'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2010 15:08:26 GMT
And conveniently forgetting that we could have won the game 1 minute before that. It's easy to pick out the 3/4 incidents in a dreadful game Pez. Do you think Liverpool deserved to win? Crap game between two very poor sides on the day and it was definitely a point 'rescued'. Do you not think though Doz that our team selection was a big factor in exactly why we were a "very poor side"?
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Post by pez75 on Jan 21, 2010 15:14:18 GMT
And conveniently forgetting that we could have won the game 1 minute before that. It's easy to pick out the 3/4 incidents in a dreadful game Pez. Do you think Liverpool deserved to win? Crap game between two very poor sides on the day and it was definitely a point 'rescued'. Thats the issue - Liverpool were crap - we knew that before they turned up, yet you are admitting that all we could do was 'rescue' a point... Disappointing IMO.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 21, 2010 15:41:09 GMT
Points obviously but can't we have a bit of both?
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Post by mcf on Jan 21, 2010 15:45:42 GMT
Rubbish Pez
People conned themselves into thinking that Stoke should win this game comfortably.
Liverpool are not crap - they are a very good side that are high up in the league. They may be crap by their own high standards but they certainly aren't crap by ours.
Some day, this obvious fact, as proved by the league table that you fuckers continually dismiss, will hopefully drop into your tiny fucking minds.
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Post by greyman on Jan 21, 2010 15:51:24 GMT
Rubbish Pez People conned themselves into thinking that Stoke should win this game comfortably. Liverpool are not crap - they are a very good side that are high up in the league. They may be crap by their own high standards but they certainly aren't crap by ours. Some day, this obvious fact, as proved by the league table that you fuckers continually dismiss, will hopefully drop into your tiny fucking minds. Nobody, including momo and you, were arguing that we should have brushed Liverpool aside. Just that we should have picked our best players in their best positions and looked like we thought we could win. That's what both you and momo argued for as well. I'm looking forward to season 4 in the Premier League (and it will happen), when Pulis suddenly morphs into Rinus Michels.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 21, 2010 15:56:29 GMT
Rubbish Pez People conned themselves into thinking that Stoke should win this game comfortably. Liverpool are not crap - they are a very good side that are high up in the league. They may be crap by their own high standards but they certainly aren't crap by ours. Some day, this obvious fact, as proved by the league table that you fuckers continually dismiss, will hopefully drop into your tiny fucking minds. You're so delluded it's laughable. People didn't expect to brush L'pool aside at all. People expected that we pick our best team and try and win the game, especially coming off a cracking performance (first half in particular) against an in form side. We (and Liverpool) turned up for a draw and that's what happened.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 21, 2010 15:57:00 GMT
rob/pez: I'm not dismissing the way we set up for the game because I was as dismayed as everyone else but I honestly think we're overplaying the tactical element in our shit performance. Liverpool were awful and, if our players had performed anything like to their capabilities I think we would have won that match comfortably (within the restrictive Pulis tactics). To be honest, we very nearly DID get an undeserved win at the end. Far too many of out players played badly. Pulis tactics are OK as long as we get some creativity from the wide positions and it just didn't happen. Let's be fair here, Rory left the field pretty early and Liam was awful. When he's on song he's a real handful and an enhancement to pretty negative tactics. There was just no creative outlet for us with Ethers 'double marked' Liam dreadful and Tuncay out of sorts. We can't afford three key players underperforming against Liverpool and, amongst our most creative players at that.
Like I said, not dismissing the tactics but much more a case of very poor individual performances for me.
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Post by mcf on Jan 21, 2010 15:58:41 GMT
grey man
Don't kid yourself, there were Stoke fans expecting us to win.
I thought the side that we played could have won. Not the side I would have picked but it could have won.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2010 16:01:03 GMT
rob/pez: I'm not dismissing the way we set up for the game because I was as dismayed as everyone else but I honestly think we're overplaying the tactical element in our shit performance. Liverpool were awful and, if our players had performed anything like to their capabilities I think we would have won that match comfortably (within the restrictive Pulis tactics). To be honest, we very nearly DID get an undeserved win at the end. Far too many of out players played badly. Pulis tactics are OK as long as we get some creativity from the wide positions and it just didn't happen. Let's be fair here, Rory left the field pretty early and Liam was awful. When he's on song he's a real handful and an enhancement to pretty negative tactics. There was just no creative outlet for us with Ethers 'double marked' Liam dreadful and Tuncay out of sorts. We can't afford three key players underperforming against Liverpool and, amongst our most creative players at that. Like I said, not dismissing the tactics but much more a case of very poor individual performances for me. I thought that our intentions to play for a draw were signalled with 3 defensive mids.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Jan 21, 2010 16:02:08 GMT
Pugsley calling someone deluded? Oh the irony.
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Post by greyman on Jan 21, 2010 16:03:06 GMT
I don't think we set out to win. That's the problem. I had a fit in the car on the way down when I heard O'Connor announce the team. I knew and so did a lot of other people what was likely to follow.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 21, 2010 16:06:47 GMT
Rubbish Pez People conned themselves into thinking that Stoke should win this game comfortably. Liverpool are not crap - they are a very good side that are high up in the league. They may be crap by their own high standards but they certainly aren't crap by ours. Some day, this obvious fact, as proved by the league table that you fuckers continually dismiss, will hopefully drop into your tiny fucking minds. Nobody, including momo and you, were arguing that we should have brushed Liverpool aside. Just that we should have picked our best players in their best positions and looked like we thought we could win. That's what both you and momo argued for as well. I'm looking forward to season 4 in the Premier League (and it will happen), when Pulis suddenly morphs into Rinus Michels. Agreed greyman, in all honesty I think Momo has been a bit of a hypocrite over the last 48hrs ... jeez he STARTED a thread on Saturday afternoon describing the manager's team selection as "Tony Pulis's worst hour". Back to the original question ... I'm very happy with the way we set up in essence and I'm certainly not looking for us to 'progress' to playing a more attractive brand of football. Long ball, percentage based footy is the style of football that Tony Pulis has used for all of his managerial career, it's what he's good at, what he's comfortable with and they are the tactics that have brought him his most success to date and are indeed very much likely to be the tactics that will bring him his most success in the future. Of course we should hope that we can bring in players who are more comfortable in possession and ultimately I hope that one day we can have players of the ilk of Essien and Mikel playing in the 'cage' in front of the back four with a player of the calibre of somebody like Drogba as our target man, rather than having an expectation of seeing us move fundamentally away from our long ball game.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Jan 21, 2010 16:06:56 GMT
Style of course! ;D
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 21, 2010 16:09:27 GMT
Rob: I agree mate, but for the bulk of the match we had Tuncay, Etherington and Lawrence on the pitch and STILL created nothing. we (very) often play with two defensive CMs but that's OK if you create from wide and Tuncay plays as he did against Fulham. None of that happenned because, individually, those players were very poor.
I agree that the system didn't help but we have played infinitely better than that within that system. I'd love to see Liam get back to form.
Incidentaly I DO actually give Rafa a little bit of credit (not much mind). Like many prior to the game, I was looking forward to seeing Ethers pissing all over Carra at full back. Rafa obviously realised that might happen and 'doubled up' on him.
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Post by mcf on Jan 21, 2010 16:11:53 GMT
grey man
PHWs always have a fit when they hear the team.
If you had gone to the away game at Spurs then you would have heard exactly the same.
Did you predict a win for us at Spurs? Or a draw at Everton?
If your predict wank every week then of course, sometimes you will be right...broken clock and all that...
If you are so ace at predicting stuff, then how come you didn't call our rise to the Premiership under Pulis?
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Post by luke45 on Jan 21, 2010 16:14:50 GMT
Points. No doubt about it.
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Post by greyman on Jan 21, 2010 16:24:08 GMT
grey man PHWs always have a fit when they hear the team. If you had gone to the away game at Spurs then you would have heard exactly the same. Did you predict a win for us at Spurs? Or a draw at Everton? If your predict wank every week then of course, sometimes you will be right...broken clock and all that... If you are so ace at predicting stuff, then how come you didn't call our rise to the Premiership under Pulis? I don't always predict wank. He's always surprised me as manager, like he has a lot of other people. I was wrong about that. But when you've got confirmed 'rimmers' like you and momo questioning the sanity of his team selection, you know he's doing something wrong.
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Post by mcf on Jan 21, 2010 16:28:56 GMT
Possibly Different ways to skin a cat though.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 21, 2010 16:29:54 GMT
Pugsley calling someone deluded? Oh the irony. Oh hello.. Care to expand on that dickwat
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Jan 21, 2010 16:34:04 GMT
Pugsley calling someone deluded? Oh the irony. Oh hello.. Care to expand on that dickwat Ok; You have unrealistic expectations. We are Stoke, not Spurs. You think Liverpool are shit. You don't like Pulis despite all the things he has done for Stoke. You don't like the style of play despite all the recent success and Stoke's current position in the league. You talk utter shite virtually every day. So yes I think you are deluded. Surely you can see my reasoning?
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Post by mcf on Jan 21, 2010 16:37:20 GMT
Baron
I certainly can.
;D
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