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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 3, 2010 8:29:06 GMT
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Post by MrDBrent on Jul 3, 2010 8:35:15 GMT
pulis should just offer them cash and have done with it
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Jul 3, 2010 8:36:41 GMT
They'll get what 1-1.5m at the tribunal, surely Kitson and Tongue would be a better option for them as well as us?
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 8:38:34 GMT
The quote from Lennie Lawrence about Kitson sums him up superbly, along the lines of. Hopeless in half the games, good in 25% and really good in the other 25%.
Also just reading further on in that article it begs the question why would any club deal with Ridsdale, half a million now then we'll try to give you some more in a couple of years?? How has this man ever been succesful in any type of business to earn his money is beyond me.
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Post by alexk on Jul 3, 2010 8:40:59 GMT
I see Whittingham has only a year left on his contract. I'd go for him instead of Ledley. A far superior player and would cost a similar amount. Sort it, Pulis!
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Post by mikeyb99 on Jul 3, 2010 8:43:21 GMT
I think in more normal circumstances this kind of swap deal would benefit both sides. Tonge certainly is a good Championship player, and there is a good player in Kitson if his attitude is right and he feels wanted. But with the financial hole Cardiff and Ridsdale have dug themselves into, they obviously can't afford not to take the cash at the moment.
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 8:43:40 GMT
I see Whittingham has only a year left on his contract. I'd go for him instead of Ledley. A far superior player and would cost a similar amount. Sort it, Pulis! Totally agree, gives left hand side cover as well if Matty isn't playing |
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Post by mistersausage on Jul 3, 2010 8:46:01 GMT
If it's true Stoke need to get a grip. No wonder we lose out when trying to sign players.
I realise we need to get these useless cunters off the wage bill but it's hard cash which generally gets players to join you.
Sort it out Stoke. You must be a really awkward club to deal with and I'll bet it really pisses players off who would otherwise join.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 3, 2010 8:49:40 GMT
But none of this has anything to do with Ledley not signing has it!
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 8:51:34 GMT
But none of this has anything to do with Ledley not signing has it! I would think if true this is totally to do with Ledley not signing |
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 3, 2010 8:53:00 GMT
But none of this has anything to do with Ledley not signing has it! I would think if true this is totally to do with Ledley not signing Hows that when he is a free agent? It's two seperate issues |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 3, 2010 8:53:10 GMT
I cant believe he would off load both Kitson and Tonge for Ledley - plus they must know Cardiff would struggle with Kitson's wages
As TP has his daughters wedding this weekend, does this explain why it didnt happen yesterday as hell of a drive back south?
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 8:56:55 GMT
I would think if true this is totally to do with Ledley not signing Hows that when he is a free agent? It's two seperate issues Fair point i see what you're getting at, but if we could tie the deal up financially/swap wise with Cardiff everything you think would go smoother and get done quicker (but this is Stoke). The Lad has been there since he was 9 (i think) you would think he has some kind of loyalty and would be happier to move if Cardiff hasd got a good deal |
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 3, 2010 8:57:36 GMT
This is so annoying!
Instead of insulting Cardiff with our exchange offers, give them cash, get the Ledley deal sorted and tell them they can have first dibs on the players with their cash if they are interested!
Our transfer team is so shite!!!!!
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 3, 2010 8:58:01 GMT
Won't this weaken our case in the tribunal? We offer two players who are worth probably £2.5m/£3m combined, so realistically we can't go into the tribunal with an initial offer of £1m on the table when we have just offered these two can we? Surely that has guaranteed we will be paying at least £2.5m for him. It strengthens cardiffs case imo and i think they know it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2010 8:58:16 GMT
I would think if true this is totally to do with Ledley not signing Hows that when he is a free agent? It's two seperate issues Because due to his age, Cardiff are still due compensation for losing him mate. |
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 3, 2010 8:59:20 GMT
Hows that when he is a free agent? It's two seperate issues Fair point i see what you're getting at, but if we could tie the deal up financially/swap wise with Cardiff everything you think would go smoother and get done quicker (but this is Stoke). The Lad has been there since he was 9 (i think) you would think he has some kind of loyalty and would be happier to move if Cardiff hasd got a good deal He wants to move, thats why he is out of contract. The fact is that the Baggies have declared an interest and he's looking for the best deal he can get for himself and who can blame him, money talks  |
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 9:01:57 GMT
Fair point i see what you're getting at, but if we could tie the deal up financially/swap wise with Cardiff everything you think would go smoother and get done quicker (but this is Stoke). The Lad has been there since he was 9 (i think) you would think he has some kind of loyalty and would be happier to move if Cardiff hasd got a good deal He wants to move, thats why he is out of contract. The fact is that the Baggies have declared an interest and he's looking for the best deal he can get for himself and who can blame him, money talks Yep and my always says goodbye straight away |
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Post by mistersausage on Jul 3, 2010 9:02:06 GMT
Well that's it then. His choice is to watch a ball fly over his head to Mama, or play football  Welcome to West Brazil Joe  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2010 9:02:44 GMT
Fair point i see what you're getting at, but if we could tie the deal up financially/swap wise with Cardiff everything you think would go smoother and get done quicker (but this is Stoke). The Lad has been there since he was 9 (i think) you would think he has some kind of loyalty and would be happier to move if Cardiff hasd got a good deal He wants to move, thats why he is out of contract. The fact is that the Baggies have declared an interest and he's looking for the best deal he can get for himself and who can blame him, money talks Cardiff STILL have a say in matters at the moment ... they can accept what the buying club is putting on the table or force the compensation issue into a tribunal. The buying club won't want him to sign until this has been resolved. |
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 9:05:53 GMT
Well that's it then. His choice is to watch a ball fly over his head to Mama, or play football Welcome to West Brazil Joe Or his choices are to join an ever growing football club who have been in the prem for a couple of years now with real ambition of moving forward and expanding the ground to accomodate the hopeful 30k+ supporters soon. Or moving to a club whose reputation is one of style over substance that inevitably gets them relegated. Viva la long ball |
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 3, 2010 9:06:50 GMT
He wants to move, thats why he is out of contract. The fact is that the Baggies have declared an interest and he's looking for the best deal he can get for himself and who can blame him, money talks Cardiff STILL have a say in matters at the moment ... they can accept what the buying club is putting on the table or force the compensation issue into a tribunal. The buying club won't want him to sign until this has been resolved. But they can't go to tribunal until he has signed |
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Post by pasa on Jul 3, 2010 9:07:40 GMT
thats it then ledley to wba, put tp in dave jones's shoes, one of your supposedly better players is leaving for the exit door, wba are offering money and stoke are offering players that as far as we know dave jones doesnt have intrest in, hmmmm what would you do.
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Post by mistersausage on Jul 3, 2010 9:08:23 GMT
Well that's it then. His choice is to watch a ball fly over his head to Mama, or play football Welcome to West Brazil Joe Or his choices are to join an ever growing football club who have been in the prem for a couple of years now with real ambition of moving forward and expanding the ground to accomodate the hopeful 30k+ supporters soon. Or moving to a club whose reputation is one of style over substance that inevitably gets them relegated. Viva la long ball Seems our transfer policy is at a tangent to your 'moving forward' comment. We can't even sign Ledley for fucks sake. What chance anyone half decent |
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 9:09:19 GMT
Cardiff STILL have a say in matters at the moment ... they can accept what the buying club is putting on the table or force the compensation issue into a tribunal. The buying club won't want him to sign until this has been resolved. But they can't go to tribunal until he has signed The Bosman was introduced so players can go where they want, so in my mind Ledley can sign for who he wants and cardiff can do bugger all about it, but my point is that i think it would make things easier and quicker if a deal between the clubs was sorted |
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 3, 2010 9:10:40 GMT
But none of this has anything to do with Ledley not signing has it! Correct,Ledley is a free agent now.The reasons he hasn't signed are personal ones ie he is hoping he can get a better deal elsewhere. We have seen it all before,a player comes to the club,has a meeting with the infamous Tony Scholes and then fucks off never to be seen again.We are it seems hopeless at selling ourselves. |
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Post by pday1982 on Jul 3, 2010 9:10:40 GMT
Or his choices are to join an ever growing football club who have been in the prem for a couple of years now with real ambition of moving forward and expanding the ground to accomodate the hopeful 30k+ supporters soon. Or moving to a club whose reputation is one of style over substance that inevitably gets them relegated. Viva la long ball Seems our transfer policy is at a tangent to your 'moving forward' comment. We can't even sign Ledley for fucks sake. What chance anyone half decent I said ambition of moving foward i didn't say we are |
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 3, 2010 9:12:15 GMT
thats it then ledley to wba, put tp in dave jones's shoes, one of your supposedly better players is leaving for the exit door, wba are offering money and stoke are offering players that as far as we know dave jones doesnt have intrest in, hmmmm what would you do. Pasa he is a free agent.Think before you post |
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Post by pasa on Jul 3, 2010 9:23:20 GMT
thats it then ledley to wba, put tp in dave jones's shoes, one of your supposedly better players is leaving for the exit door, wba are offering money and stoke are offering players that as far as we know dave jones doesnt have intrest in, hmmmm what would you do. Pasa he is a free agent.Think before you post oh right, cant say ive been following all things joe ledley, its a bit like watching eastenders, lots of drama over nothing. God knows how ledley feels, if i was him i'd be thinking if scfc wanted me enough, i'd be a stoke player by now. infact i'd be more inclined to join a club like wba, a club who show intrest and want to do somthing about it. as has been said before, this is joe ledley, not lionel messi, a championship player, why do we make such hard work of it, its surprising we ever sign anyone. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2010 9:24:43 GMT
Cardiff STILL have a say in matters at the moment ... they can accept what the buying club is putting on the table or force the compensation issue into a tribunal. The buying club won't want him to sign until this has been resolved. But they can't go to tribunal until he has signed The point being that if Stoke were confident that Cardiff would accept the players rather than the cash as compensation, then the whole thing could move forward. As Cardiff don't seem that keen on such a deal, it is directly having an effect on Ledley signing for Stoke (at the moment). |
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